How do we start a conversation 

with our kids about staying healthy?  

What if we just start with something as simple as 

“an apple a day keeps 

the doctor away?” 

- English Ididom

This is a forum to discuss HEALTH in a constructive way. 

Please share your opinions, and links to other resources, to help us figure out

this important "hot button" issue.

Politico 44 Whiteboard: Follow the Health Care Summit Comment
Watch the summit live or read quotes from the speakers as the summit progresses throughout the day.
Pelosi Pushes HC Bill Comment
Swing Democrats in the House control the fate of Obama's new heathcare overhaul and Speaker Pelosi is in charge of rallying enough support to get a majority.
Obama Adds GOP Ideas to Healthcare Comment
Out of the healthcare summit came some usable GOP ideas, decided the President and, according to Reuters, here they are: sending investigators disguised as patients to uncover fraud and waste; expanding medical malpractice reform pilot programs; increasing payments to Medicaid providers and expanding the use of health savings accounts. Read the full article for more details.
Excerpts From Obama's Heathcare Speech Comment
The New Republic posting of excerpts from Obama's healthcare speech Wednesday.




  • momof3

    I was horrified to hear that 45,000 people die every year because they don't have HEALTHCARE in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If a terrorist killed 45,000 people, we'd be at WAR for trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars. Why can't we put things into perspective? Why can't we "afford" to protect those citizens?
    6 days, 23 hours ago
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  • Debomama

    Anyone watch the healthcare deal today on the networks or cspan? Thought it was a great showing of cordial and intelligent discourse. Anyone disagree?
    1 week, 5 days ago
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    • TMama

      I saw or listened to all of it throughout the day. Just found it so frustrating to have to wade through everyone's 'agenda' before they could actually make a point. I'm done hearing about Millie from Milwaukee and her hip replacement. Now is the time to limit the discussion to facts, problems with the present system, and viable solutions. The discussion could have been more constructive had they stuck to a list of the known issues and debated the solutions, i.e. tort reform, EMR's, coverage of illegal aliens,etc. Instead much time was still spent on debating the basic neccesity of Universal Healthcare which should last years issue.
      1 week, 3 days ago
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    • momof3

      I listened to the entire thing. I thought they all behaved well and there were moments when they were getting somewhere, but what is frustrating to me is that if they are 80% there, why can't they spend a few weeks hammering out the other 20%? Why do Republicans keep saying start over? What in the world have they been doing for the last year? And, don't say Republicans didn't have a say...I listened to the entire thing...every single one of there issues was incorporated. They just don't want ANY government regulation. What else is new? Haven't we learned our lesson? We don't need to go overboard, but common sense regulation is essential to protecting us, the American citizens. Can you spell B-A-N-K disaster?
      1 week, 2 days ago
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  • momof3

    So glad you have good healthcare DICK CHENEY. It saved your life...for the 5th time.
    1 week, 6 days ago
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    • Ria1234

      Right on! Here is a suggestion, All Americans should get the same health care as First Family!! I think its called "THE WHITE HOUSE PLAN".
      18 hours, 5 minutes ago
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  • momof3

    Fun recipes at Whole Foods!
    2 weeks, 5 days ago
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  • Debomama

    The First Lady's campaign on childhood obesity is so inspired! Great job O-MAMA Obama!
    3 weeks, 6 days ago
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  • spunkymom

    Televised meeting! Can't wait!
    1 month, 1 day ago
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  • spunkymom

    Also, I wish Obama would let healthcare go a bit more...I get that its expensive, but how about some incremental changes up or down vote style to get something done for Pete's sake!
    on 02/03/10
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  • spunkymom

    Glad to see that the first lady is getting out there with childhood obesity! Less TV and more outside and play, right?
    on 02/03/10
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    • Ria1234

      When my children, now 17 and 15, were young the TV did not come on Monday though Thursday and everyone's computer time was limited to 30 or so mins/day. It was, lol, " hell" for all of us for about a week. After that nobody missed it. I learned how to roller blade. I even picked up my tennis game again with the kids!!! "American" parents have to take most for the blame for our overweight children. The good thing about that is we can be the "change factor" for our kids! I know healthy food can get costly! This is when we have to decide what is important, living in a $300,000/4000sf home and paying for its up keep or "down sizing" to a "healthier" life for ourselves and our children. Just my opinion.
      17 hours, 36 minutes ago
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  • Debomama

    I feel like TV is killing my kids..one smarty pants comment at a time. Anyone else?
    on 01/30/10
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  • spunkymom

    What will happen to healthcare now that Scott Brown goes to Washington? I say it's back to the drawing board...congress needs to get real and we need to get something done. Enough with public option and down to brass tax!
    on 01/25/10
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  • Debomama

    Happy New Year Gal! Sked those mammograms!
    on 01/02/10
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  • Debomama

    Glad to see that Nick Jonas is using his powers for good!
    on 12/30/09
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  • spunkymom

    As of today it looks like Obamacare has won! I see that Reid has is 60 votes! At least the public option is dead so hurray for that!
    on 12/20/09
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    • momof3

      Yes, I think the American people are a step closer to more secure healthcare coverage. We have to get real. Improve care. Cut costs. Cover more people. The status quo doesn't work. Healthcare is not a "privilege" it should be the right of every American citizen. Quality healthcare is not just about the poor old insurance companies making a buck. It is about the poor and the old receiving the care they deserve in the richest country in the world!
      on 12/24/09
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  • momof3

    The healthcare debate is another step closer to the finish line...Democrats have made compromises to secure the votes of Liberman and Nelson. Good? Bad? After the Senate votes, it will go to conference committee with the House bill and be merged. So, we still don't know what will be in the FINAL bill. All I want to know...are my premiums going to come down...and are the insurance companies going to have to cover people when they actually need healthcare? Anyone?
    on 12/20/09
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  • Debomama

    Hi O-MAMAs! What do you think about Joe Leiberman joining the Republicans on this healthcare deal?
    on 12/14/09
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  • spunkymom

    I'm a good GOP gal, and I'm glad that reform is on the table. WIth the public option out of the bill, what more do the Senators want conceeded before they agree to pass legislation. Things cannot stay as they are, so what is the solution?
    on 12/09/09
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    • tiredmama

      Frankly, the GOP has turned into the party of NO. It's very confusing...at this point, I just feel like they are against everything and anything. It is not healthy for our country. They need to bring their ideas to the table and share those with the American people, so we feel like they are doing something.
      on 12/10/09
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  • TMama

    So here's the latest update on pap smears (just what you wanted on a Monday morning!): Latest guidelines are NO pap until 21 years old. None.Nothing. Nada. If your little girls are sexually active, they should probably get in to be tested for Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, etc. but no pap. Turns out these girls have such great immune systems that the majority clear the HPV virus (the one that causes cervical cancer)in 1-2 years. And... only 0.1% of cervical cancer happens before age 21. Then after age 21 until age 29 pap every 2 years. From age 30 to 65ish, after 3 negative paps, only needed every 3 years. Yeah! Unfortunately, you should still go every year and have all the other stuff checked. Hooray, for us!
    on 12/07/09
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    • tsukismom

      Hi, I'm knew to the site over the last few years, my husband and I have been getting our information from sites and books and sadly, you will never hear or see this information on regular maninstream media. Regarding mammagraphy and breast cancer. The radiation in itself is harmful and I'm 36 and will never get a mammagraphy. Regarding breast cancer and the whole "movement" on finding a cure. The breast cancer 3-day and the organization with it is an absolute joke. I question where the HUGE amount of money is going, apparently not a cure. It is big business. When I say cure, they look to creating a "drug" to cure cancer, but there has always been a cure. If anyone is interested, take the time to read up on Max Gerson and the Gerson Therapy as an example. Whole foods are our best friend and nature gave us many cures that many people just don't know about. And ladies, you may want to change your deoderant and switch to one that is aluminum-free. I have more to say, but, I think I'll share as I go :) Take care!!
      on 12/09/09
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    • tiredmama

      Hey tsukismom! I agree totally. Big business, it's gross! I also believe prevention is the key and that there are natural antioxidents in our natural foods...do not eat processed foods!!! And, I use aluminum free deoderant (have to apply often). I think mammography is an option to be weighed carefully...agreed there is radiation exposure...but, if you have a high incidence of Cancer in your family, especially breast Cancer, early detection is the best chance you have. So, if you are not high risk, do self-exams and eat well. If you are high risk, talk to your doctor and find the best equipment possible (state of the art technology doesn't have as much radiation risk as older units) and do what you need to do...
      on 12/10/09
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  • Debomama

    Check out all the news from this weekend!
    on 12/06/09
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  • Debomama

    Lots to be thankful for in 2009! Love to all of you O-MAMAs!
    on 11/27/09
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  • momof3

    @TMama: Agreed. Get your boobies squeezed ANNUALLY, if not a lot more often! (-:
    on 11/19/09
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  • TMama

    Here's another one for you: A doctor Blake Cady (nice name) from Brown University just finished a study showing that unscreened (no mammo) women accounted for 75% of all breast cancer deaths from 1990-2007. The rate that they died of it was 56% for the unscreened and 4.7% for those having mammos. So, I'm having mine checked every year until I feel like dying of something.
    on 11/18/09
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  • tiredmama

    @TMama: Very confusing!?! I read something about "outdated" equipment being really bad and that most clinics, etc. don't use latest and greatest so there is fear of over-radiating healthy tissues. In better hospitals/radiologist centers, they have state-of-the-art equipment and encourage regular checks. So, my net take-away...make sure the equipment is top notch and get your boobies checked annually!
    on 11/17/09
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  • TMama

    OK, If it wasn't confusing enough, the USPSTF came out with new reccomendations today. They are the group that makes reccomendations for Medicare and Insurance companies. Here's their recc's and the response by Amer. College of OB/Gyn's. You decide. For release: November 16, 2009, 5 pm Response of The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists to New Breast Cancer Screening Recommendations from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force* In the November 17 issue of Annals of Internal Medicine, the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) updates its recommendations on screening for breast cancer in the general population (see www.annals.org), including the following: The USPSTF recommends against routine screening mammography in women aged 40 to 49 years. The decision to start regular, biennial screening mammography before the age of 50 years should be an individual one and take patient context into account, including the patient's values regarding specific benefits and harms. (grade C recommendation) The USPSTF recommends biennial screening mammography for women aged 50 to 74 years. (grade B recommendation) The USPSTF recommends against teaching breast self-examination (BSE). (grade D recommendation) The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, however, currently continues to recommend the following services: Screening mammography every 1-2 years for women aged 40-49 years Screening mammography every year for women age 50 or older BSE; BSE has the potential to detect palpable breast cancer and can be recommended. The College is continuing to evaluate in detail the new USPSTF recommendations and the new evidence considered by the USPSTF. Any changes to College guidance will be published in its journal Obstetrics & Gynecology. So is it another cost saving measure at the expense of lost lives or realistic secondary to high false positives in younger women, risk of radiation, fear, etc.?
    on 11/17/09
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  • latinmama

    We need a good example of a system that works!
    on 11/14/09
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  • TMama

    Great PBS special Weds. night on comparing Healthcare systems in several countries with National Healthcare. It is so within our reach if we are willing to turn our back on special interests and lobbyists and turn instead to the needs of our people. BTW, my favorite was a combo of Taiwan and Switzerland.
    on 11/12/09
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  • TMama

    @momof3: Put it this way, it's certainly a symbiotic relationship.
    on 11/09/09
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  • momof3

    @TMama: I actually think it's the other way around...I think the lobbyists OWN Washington.
    on 11/09/09
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  • TMama

    The AMA( I can only conjecture that the AARP is the same) is controlled by Congress. Go to Sermo.com for the doctors's perspective. I know of only one other doctor that is still an AMA member and he is retired. I don't beleive they will willfully "kill Grandma". She will die a slow neglectful death.
    on 11/06/09
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  • tiredmama

    The AMA and AARP support the Healthcare Reform bill...why would they if it was truly a "government bureaucrats" were going to take it over healthcare and "kill grandma?" I doubt the American Medical Association and the American Association of Retired Persons would support a bill if any of those scare tactics were even remotely true...ladies, what do you think?
    on 11/06/09
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  • camomama

    @momof2: I was only able to get my 15 mos. old his seasonal flu shot, since he was high risk. My drs. office was completely out of swine flu shots and seasonal shots for my older children. They told me they would call when they received their next shipment if any?! Today I went to a flu clinic at CVS about 1/2 hr from my house, and I was at least able to get our seasonal flu shots for the family :) they ran out of swine flu shots just before we got there...bummer!
    on 11/05/09
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  • latinmama

    Does GOP bill promise anything we can get behind?
    on 11/04/09
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  • latinmama

    so i freaked out about a fever when it was just strep!! never thought id be so happy about strep throat!
    on 11/01/09
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  • momof2

    And...did y'all read that artificial egg AND sperm...so should we just all go away and let the clones take over?
    on 10/29/09
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  • momof2

    Interesting House bill out today...Sorry to say that the whole deal makes me nervous. I feel like we are being pushed into something. I think we need change...but is this it? This is the BEST we can do, or this is the FASTEST we can do?
    on 10/29/09
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  • momof3

    The new Reuters report finds more than 1/3 of waste in our healthcare system...that's more than $500 billion annually...the report goes on to break down how much is fraud, how much is preventable illness, etc. Interesting!
    on 10/27/09
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  • latinmama

    I have a question???? Who is going to PAY for the reimbursements? If Medicare is almost bankrupt as it is....how are we going to pay? Are our children going to pay? Do we not worry about that until later? Do the Congress people not worry about that because they will be out of office then? Why does't anyone ask this on the chat shows?
    on 10/26/09
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  • TMama

    @momof3: FluMist is live virus so it's not completely uncommon to get a mild flu from it. Just saves you the trauma of "Am I getting a shot?"
    on 10/24/09
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  • momof3

    Wash your hands a lot and tell your kids not to touch their faces! Not so easy, right?!
    on 10/23/09
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  • latinmama

    Seems like everyone around me is getting flu shots and then the mist deal where they can get it. So , looks like swine flu is going down! Everyone getting the vaccines?
    on 10/22/09
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  • momof3

    @camomama: Nervous about the mist, too. TMama??? What do you think about the mist? By the way, TOTALLY agree with the whole tort reform issue, but I read that it really is a STATE issue and can't be reformed on the federal level. What's your take on that?
    on 10/21/09
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  • camomama

    @momof2: I talked to my pediatrician today about the flu shots and she said to get both the swine and the reg. one. They are getting their swine flu shots next week and will call me when they have them. The 2 ways the dr. gives the swine are in the nose, or the arm. The nose method is a vapor you breathe? and it has traces of the live virus... I'm not sure about that one, or the arm which doesn't have any live viruses. It sounds so scary, have any mom's children had any strange reactions to the swine flu shot?
    on 10/20/09
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  • ocmama

    @TMama: Love it!
    on 10/19/09
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  • TMama

    Do you live in California? There already is reform. Do you feel unprotected? A recent study from the New England Journal of Medicine surveyed 900 physicians in MA and 83% said they had at times ordered tests and procedures that they knew were probably unneccessary out of fear of being sued. I've done it. It's real. It's defensive medicine. I do agree the HMO have got to go. Anytime you have a middleman, you lose. We protect people that are injured by getting rid of bad doctors. Another great side effect of lowering healthcare costs is that doctors will have more time with patients and actually have enough time to think and make the right decisions. Less errors.
    on 10/16/09
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  • momof3

    @TMama: Actually, I think everyone's getting screwed except the insurance companies! They just pulled a fast one and issued another shady report...ridiculous...healthcare reform needs to focus on patients and their doctors/nurses. Why can't we just cut out the insurance companies altogther...they just take our money, keep a lot and dole out as little as they can...medical malpractice is a joke, too. Of course it needs to be reformed because lawyers milk the system and squeeze as much money as they can, too. The question is...how do we protect people who are actually injured by negligence or intentional conduct and not unfairly burden doctors???
    on 10/13/09
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  • TMama

    I'm not really angry about H1N1 either but do you want to know what really has me hot:(This probably belongs on the Politics button) The Congressional Budget Office stating that they know that limiting medical malpractice lawsuits could save $54 Billion and lower Medicare and Medicaid by $41 Billion. An additional $13 Billion (Did I just say BILLION!) would be gained from taxable wages over 10 years from the amount employers save on healthcare YET the White House opposes capping such jury awards because it "limits the rights of Americans who are injured by negligent or intentional conduct". These doctors are not gotten rid of they simply pay huge premiums and continue on their merry way while the rest of us suck up the price with outrageous healthcare costs. Is it really our American right to sue for $4M for pain and suffering? (OK, I feel better now)
    on 10/12/09
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  • angrypop

    @TMama: Thank you for the information that was great - I think you misinterpreted my post - I was asking for advice and then posted something that a facebook friend of mine had posted which confused me. (although I do have my angry moments - not about H1N1 )
    on 10/12/09
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  • momof3

    @tiredmama: Ditto. Smart mamas make me happy...printing info and taking it to the doc for some more info. I'll report back!
    on 10/11/09
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  • tiredmama

    @TMama: o.k., first of all, I have to say there are some SMART MAMAS on this site. Love it. Secondly, I am printing out this discussion thread and taking it to the pediatrician...I am going to take O-MAMAs advice and "talk to my doc" about it...I think we all should go in armed with info and ask questions. Thanks for all the info. You go girls!
    on 10/10/09
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  • TMama

    @angrypop: You really are angry! I think your statements are a little too all encompassing. First, H1N1 is a novel virus which means it is genetically unlike any virus we have seen therefore, have no immunity. It is not some super virus. The Advsory Commitee on Imunnization practices (the people that advise the CDC) state that "most people who have become ill have recovered without requiring medical treatment". Thus, the target population is those at most risk: pregnant women, caregivers of children <6mo, healthcare and Emergency medical services, or anyone age 4-24 with medical conditions putting them at higher risk. The majority of hospitalizations have been children less than 4 years old. As for Thimerosal, it is not an adjuvant to boost antibodies. It is a preservative. It is only present in multi-use vials. If you want any vaccine without preservative ask for a single dose vial. From the CDC "only unadjuvanted vaccines will be used in the United States during the 2009 flu season"(All pediatric vaccines presently made for use in the US, other than Flu are Thimerosal free).Sanofi,Novartis, Afluria, GlaxoSmithKline in single dose or FluMist contain no preservatives. The reason not many people have had their H1N1 vax is that it is not out yet. The CDC has notified our clinic that deliveries will start mid to late OCT. As for me and my babies, we will have our Flu shots(both) and then maybe some Swordfish to challenge our Mercury clearance. It is still riskier to drive a car and I hate being sick!!
    on 10/08/09
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  • momof2

    Anyone else really feeling like this healthcare deal is only a political move? I keep hearing that no matter what congress does, the insurance cos are gonna march a wheelbarrow full of cash up to the Capitol and voila..make the whole thing go away? Pelosi et al are going to keep the bill off the internet so we can't read the final draft before the vote and now we have kids from Ron Clark academy singing about healthcare on CNN? Not that I think the song is bad or that he is bad...actually I dig his school, but dang..what's the real deal?
    on 10/08/09
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  • panchita_jones

    @momof2: had my regular flu shot at costco last saturday. have not had any H1N1 yet. will soon get my son's regular flu shot.
    on 10/07/09
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  • momof2

    See the article above about the vaccinations...seems like not many being given yet
    on 10/06/09
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  • momof2

    Anyone had their flu shots yet...?
    on 10/06/09
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  • angrypop

    @tmama: I don't know if it is a bunch of hooey - but I honestly don't know who to believe - the CDC does seem to keep changing it's guidelines.
    on 10/06/09
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  • tmama

    thanks for sharing this angrypop...i had planned on getting the flu shot for my family as usual but wasn't sure about swine flu vaccines.
    on 10/06/09
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  • angrypop

    I have been searching for places to get the H1N1 shot - not that I or any member of my family has ever had even a basic flu shot before. However I really thought this was the year we should take the plunge - then a facebook friend posted this from mercola.com and now I am really torn.. NINE REASONS NOT TO GET THE SWINE FLU SHOT 1.The swine flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly. 2.This is the first time both seasonal and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. Can you trust them this time? 3.Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Why would you sign a consent form for your children to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead? 4.This is the first year mock vaccines have been used to gain FDA approval. The vaccines that have been tested are not the same vaccines your children will be given. 5.Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America. American children are subjected to 29 vaccines by the age of two. Meanwhile, veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects. 6. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated. 7.Researchers are warning that over-use of the flu vaccine and anti-flu drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza can apply genetic pressure on flu viruses and then they are more likely to mutate into a more deadly strain. 8. Most seasonal influenza A (H1N1) virus strains tested from the United States and other countries are now resistant to Tamiflu (oseltamivir). Tamiflu has become a nearly worthless drug against seasonal flu. 9. Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease.
    on 10/06/09
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  • momof2

    Pre natal vitamins are good for you..even when youre not preggo...try em!
    on 10/06/09
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  • momof3

    How do you feel about the SWINE FLU vaccine?
    on 10/03/09
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  • momof2

    Im looking forward to seeing the healthcare bills...I think that there are two major ones being looked at by the house and senate right now. Can we see them anywhere...im going to look for them and see if we can somehow get omama to post them so we know what we're talking about. Seems like the stimulus job creation is mainly focused on healthcare jobs...anyone else noticing that?
    on 10/03/09
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  • momof3

    Did anyone see Obama's speech today about the $5 billion in research grants? The biggest investment in medical research & technology ever...focus is on autism, cancer and heart disease. Supposed to create a lot of jobs AND lay the foundation for amazing new medical breakthroughs...very cool! And, before the REPUBLICANS freak out, the $ is coming from the existing stimulus budget.
    on 09/30/09
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