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DREAM ON: “Dream Act” Fails in Senate

UPDATE 12/18:  Dreams crushed in the Senate today as DREAM Act did not pass cloture (55 voted for, 41 voted against) – needed super majority to go to up or down vote.

Original post 12/9 – The immigration drama continues! In the news, the possible passage of  The Dream Act  that would allow children of illegal immigrants to receive conditional non-immigrant status and the opportunity to reside permanently and legally in the U.S.  The act, if made law, means that, even though their parents are here illegally, these young people will have a path to citizenship by way of a 2 year college education or service in the armed forces. The conditions for eligibility are that the child must have been younger than 16 when they entered the U.S., have been living here for at least 5 years, have a diploma from a U.S. high school (or the equivalent) and qualify for college or military service.

As of today, the Dream Act is in play.  The first act passed in the House and act 2 will be in  the Senate.  According to the “reviews” (a.k.a., press spin) though, it is not expected to get through the Senate vote.  Supporters of the bill say that the beneficiaries are innocent kids who embrace the American dream.  They want to work and become stars. They argue that it’s their parents who committed the crime of being here illegally, not them, and the USA is the only stage they know.  Those opposed, say it goes against the rule of law and rewards the bad performance of their parents.

Part of the problem is that many of the children of illegal immigrants are in the dark about their parents’ status until they try to get a driver’s license or apply to college. That’s when their folks get caught in the act so to speak.  So, how does our country play this out?  How far are we willing to take the drama?  Should these kids be held accountable for their parents’ actions?  Or, do we educate and recruit our way to a stronger nation?  So, MAMAs do we ask the kids to exit stage left if it’s their parents who wrote the script? Or, do we give them an encore?

What do you think should be the final curtain call MAMAs?

18 Responses to DREAM ON: “Dream Act” Fails in Senate

  1. Anonymous December 17, 2010 at 1:10 pm #
    Opinionated MAMA

    According to the 14th amendment of our constitution, all persons born on US soil ARE US citizens, so to me, this issue is a moot point. But for the sake of discussion…
    Most of these illegal immigrants come here for a better life for themselves and their families. Should they have come here legally? Of course; but our immigration system is so broken and expensive, it is no wonder they try to circumvent the system. I'm not justifying this, just saying. I do not think the children should be penalized for something their parents did. Illegal immigrants have been and still are an integral part of our economy in both good and bad ways. To deport everyone will cause chaos in our country. The Dream Act seems to be a stop gap until our whole immigration system gets an overhaul. As a nation that believes in family values, I think we need to put our money where our mouths are. It is immoral to deport innocent children for mistakes their parents made. Will it encourage families to come to America to give birth to their children so they can be citizens? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's been happening since our nation was born. If we want to change that, then the appropriate way to do so is through an overhaul of the immigration system, not family by family, or person by person.

    • Anonymous February 25, 2011 at 12:12 pm #
      Opinionated MAMA

      Yes, I agree. My grandparents came here on a boat. As soon as they made it to the shores of our great nation with the family silver strapped to their backs, they were documented and welcomed. That process doesn't exist anymore. The whole system is broken and needs to be reformed – as far as the AZ law is concerned, if EVERYONE who is here, needs to be able to produce documents of legal entry (i.e., national i.d.), then I'm fine with it. But, as soon as we start talking about different rules for different looking people, it creeps me out.

  2. Anonymous December 23, 2010 at 2:51 am #
    Opinionated MAMA

    Score one for the AMERICANS for a change. Screw the spawn of criminals, and the very idea that these cockroaches would be allowed to profit from their illegal activities. They should ONLY be run out and all their property confiscated like you would a drug dealer when they were busted. This dream act failing is the only good news to come out of the white house for a very long time.

    • Anonymous February 25, 2011 at 12:07 pm #
      Opinionated MAMA

      MAMAS – the current administration has done more to increase border security and deportation of illegal immigrants in the last 2 years than GW Bush did in 8. Yes, we need to do comprehensive immigration reform because there are many aspects to it, including legal visas that provide legal entry into the country without any way to track those that overstay their welcome.
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/15/AR2010071503305.html

  3. Anonymous February 23, 2011 at 1:25 pm #
    Opinionated MAMA

    I think the bill AZ just passed is great. They are on the firing line when it comes to many immigrants along with drugs and terrorists. Since our socialist president Obama wants to have his own little regime called The United States of America he has no time for such things as immigration cuz he is too caught up in his left wing agenda. Right now u can see what socialism does, It has been going on for years and now we are at fever pitch because everything is great as long as they are spending someone elses money (that wld be us) and when they run out this is the kind of chaos that is created. Reagen did the amnesty thing when he was president and as u all can see it didn't work, it just created more of a monster then we already have. I think if that law AZ passes goes to the Supreme Court I hope they uphold AZ position. The Feds have not been doing their jobs on that border and continue to let them roll on in. Can u imagine how frustrating that is for the good border patrol and now US citizens on that border try to protect our country. The Feds should be listening to the people but that nutball in the WH doesn't care what the people think and if u all have not figured that out by now by doing your homework and research on this guy then I guess u get deserve what u get. The people that are here and blatantly turn their noses up at our laws do so cuz they can get away with it. I hope other states follow AZ lead. Watch all those immigrants leave that state and move to another and for those states that think immigrants should be here illegally that is where these people need to go and see how much more it will cost the state and their people with the influx of immigrants. We should have done this years ago. Our constitution needs to be amended if the Supreme Court does not rule on this because that amendment was not meant for immigrants in the 21st century. It was for the slaves and to make sure they were counted as citizens of the US. CA use to have one of the best school districts around but with all these immigrants they are far below standard as well as other states that have accomodated immigrants and our kids have suffered for this. Tell me where u can go and they have the immigrant favored more then the actual citizen. The woman that come here and have their babies are not entitled to have their babies be a US citizen just so they can stay and cause the big mess we are in today. It is a natural and human thing to always think of the kids but then the parents should not be breaking the law and all of these people need to go back to their country of origin. We not only have to put up with this but now Mexico is like Columbia was years ago before they killed Escabar and just how do u think that mess is going to end. R u serious that we post signs in our own country telling our citizens not to go there because of drug dealers or whatever. It is time to pull out the big guns and send a big message. Stay out of our country.

    • Anonymous February 25, 2011 at 12:08 pm #
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      MAMAS – the current administration has done more to increase border security and deportation of illegal immigrants in the last 2 years than GW Bush did in 8. Yes, we need to do comprehensive immigration reform because there are many aspects to it, including legal visas that provide legal entry into the country without any way to track those that overstay their welcome. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/15/AR2010071503305.html

    • Anonymous February 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm #
      Opinionated MAMA

      Hello. I read your response. I disagree with your comment on the current administration. Obambie has done little. The fence that at least Bush started he halted the work completely. I absolutely do not believe in comprehensive immigration. The immigration problem is so hugh now because none of the presidents had the balls to do anything about it because God forbid they might stand for something instead of worrying about their careers and covering their butts and screw the american people. Do u not get the fact they play the kids and I like u feel bad about that but not bad enough to let them over run our country which they are criminals and all. Look their are hundreds of people or maybe even thousands of people that are here trying to do it the right way. Why should any of them be able to jump in front of the ones that are doing it legal. The people that are doing it the right way do not in any way, shape or form like what the illegals are doing. Maybe all those people wouldn't leave Mexico if they would help themselves as well as their country. No, there are way too many that come here for freebies and we can no longer afford it. They have bankrupted our health care system, our educational system amongst other things. Even Mexico wouldn't let any of us bounce over there and just live. They would kick us out. Like I said, Reagan already did this back in the 80's. Gave all of them amnesty and look what it did. Not only did most of them do what they were suppose to do but since they got amnesty that even sent a worse message to the other mexicans acroos the border as in "come on over". No, that is bullcrap and unless u really research this and look at the numbers for real it is hard to explain because it is just astrnomical. Like I said the ones that want them to stay in this country should have them all come to their states and maybe when they get sick and tired of picking up their tabs and their state going broke will u get the message. I have never got something for nothing have u? I have had to work for everything I got and I am not about to bust my butt anymore fooling around with this stupid government as long as that socialist communist president is there. We will be damn lucky if we get out of all these messes without losing what we treasure most, freedom for not paying attention to what our politicians were really doing and it didn't just start yesterday. A lot of it started in the 60's but they got put down pretty fast but they never gave up and now look where we are. We have one of the worse presidents ever and what he stands for is even worse cuz he is pure evil. No, the mexicans need to stay in mexico unless they are legal and they need to have their babies over there and not be able to have them here any longer and that alone will cut down a lot on immigration. I don't care how cruel that sounds because to me what cruel is our own citizens that have families, have nowhere to live, have no food or money. Often times it is through no fault of our own. It is almost a joke because we are suppose to be one of the most wealthy nations in the world but yet we have people galore living on the streets, families on the streets but yet illegals can come in here and get everything that a US citizen is entitled to taking jobs, homes or whatever we have so many of our own needing. So if u want to feel sorry for someone feel sorry for those kids here that have nothing. We need to start at home setting an example before we can help anyone else. That would be the people I am talking about because we don't and should never want the Federal Gov to interfere and keep them as limited as possible because u open yourself to tyranny and we are getting damn close to it now because that is exactly what Obama is trying to do. I don't care if u laugh or poo poo me but do your own research and open your eyes because it is going on every single day and it scares the hell out of me for my kids, grandkids and great grandkids cause I have never seen it this bad in my lifetime and I don't scare easy. This didn't happen overnight. They do it subtlely and then before u know it, like now, the american people are scratching their heads wondering what the hell happen. That is why our freedom should always be guarded with vigilance by each person because for years now they have slowly been taking our freedoms from us. Screw the politcal correctness, that is exactly what has gotten us here. U better stand for something and I am far from perfect but I am unwavering when it comes to being patriotic and loving my freedom because I would never want any of the people I love ever have to live in anything less and "we the people" are the only ones that can do anything about it so we should take care and look out for one another. That is what makes us strong when we stay united and do not let anyone come between the people staying united or we indeed will fall. U can't argue with truth so u have any questions how evil Obama is just go do your own homework and u will find out what is true agenda is and his wife is no better them him. Search her out too because u might be surprised how crooked she is right along with her husband.

    • Anonymous February 25, 2011 at 8:57 pm #
      Opinionated MAMA

      I am not a fan of Obama, but I do not think he is "evil." I just don't agree with many of his policies. There have been more arrests and more deportations under his administration, but that hasn't dented the overall problem – you are right, no one has had the balls to really deal with it. That being said, the only way to actually fix the problem is to make sure that illegal immigrants cannot get jobs when they get here. If employers didn't hire them, they would not come here because they would have no way to make a living. So, once we mandate that employers verify legal status and are punishable by big fines or jail time, there will be no real reform. We can pretend that a fence will keep people out, but if opportunity is on the other side, then they will find a way to the other side. The other thing is that MOST of the undocumented folks actually come in legally. They get a Visa, enter legally and we have no way to track them down once they're here. That's why our whole immigration/visa laws need to be regiggered (is that even a word?!).

    • Anonymous February 27, 2011 at 9:03 am #
      Opinionated MAMA

      Hi OC, I do believe he is evil. There has been a shadow government for years. He by far is not the only one involved. Basically he is a puppet but a puppet out to do great harm to this country. Take Eric Holder for example. Don't u remember him? He served under Janet Reno and was the one involved in sending that little cuban boy back to Cuba. Now we have that idiot being the "top cop" so to speak taking orders from Obama and that is not his job. His job is to enforce the laws already on the books. But him and Obama don't care, they don't care about the Constitution and just do as they please, Obama especially is so arrogant and manical as well as egotistical it is disgusting. Who in the hell gives the president of China a big dinner like Obama did when they are not are friends, they are a communist country, oppress their people not to mention all the money we owe them because those wonderful people we have sent to Washington has managed to break this country but yet Obama just wants to keep on spending. I wished they had never gotten rid of the gold standard when it comes to our money because this would not be happening. He just manages to keep devaluing the dollar. Look at the vistors he has at the WH, all just thugs and most of them have to do with the union or organizing cuz that is what Obama does is organize and not for the good either. I can honestly say what the governor in Wisconsin is doing is absolutly right. I worked for the state for a lot of years and we never made the money u could if u worked in the private sector but we had better insurance. Somewhere along the line that got inverted and they ended up not only making more money but have cadillac insurance and I don't know why people cannot understand that we who work in the private sector pay for part of the bennies. If u watch this mess the head of the union AFL-CIO readily admitted he is at the WH at least three times a week and talks to them every day. Hmmmm why would that be. Oh I know because they contribute millions to the Democrats and they are afraid of losing them because of what the states are doing about these unions. Unions have a hugh history and when people originally joined them it was back when working conditions were horrible, salaries were the same way. But when the unions came in they were anything but nice. They were violent and they still are cuz u have a fat ass like Richard Trumpka sitting up there along with his cronies just sticking it to the union members but they don't pay enough attention to what the union is really doing but more focused on losing what they consider rights. They force u to join the union even if u don't want to. People should have the right to opt out but they don't. Unions are really powerful and they are in a fight for their life and they need to lose because they are breaking the US as well. Now what the gov is doing in Wisconsin is the best thing he can do because the union has broke the state because we are forced to pay for the union members even if we who work in the private sector don't want to. That is why people need to do their homework and see what is really going on before they get out their waving their signs and being nasty.Little do they know they will end up benefiting from it in the long run. Despite what is said the police and the firefighters are exempt from this. They are down there marching to support their brothers and sisters so they say, The teachers union really needs to get busted up because we have a lot of real crappy teachers teaching our kids in school. It is almost impossible to get rid of a teacher when they belong to the union and all the bad teachers know it. So yeah, I think teachers should work on merit ie how well do the kids they are teaching doing in comparison to others around the country. Not only that when teachers belong to a union it is fairly easy to place a hard left winger and their jobs are to indoctrinate our kids from K-12. My kids have been our of school for years but I have hawked on my grandkids and now my great granddaughters. People that are concerned about what their kids are learning will be surprised at what has been taking off the shelf as far as teaching our kids. One proposal was not to teach the kids about the constitution and much more which has to do with the history and culture of OUR country. A lot of these movements have been moving for a lot of years but now it is coming to a head thank God. I know the american people are the people that will stop this because "we the people" do run our government and we need to push back as hard as we can push to get rid of those that want our country to be a regime run by tyrants. We all need to step up and step out because when the people unite it sends a very strong message to DC letting them know who really runs this country and it is not a bunch of self serving crooks. The one thing Obama has done for sure is to make sure another black man never gets elected to that office for at least fifty years. He has disgraced his own because they are some good black men out there that very well could be a good president but he has set that back, like I said for at least fifty years. U would think that would bother a normal man but not him because he doesn't care. He just wants to try and ramrod his left wing agenda through, get richer in the process and screw the american people.

    • momof3 February 28, 2011 at 8:10 pm #
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      Wow, that's EXACTLY how I feel about Scott Walker trying to ramrod his right-wing agenda through. Labor has been conceding wage increases in favor of increased benefits. They agreed to cuts in both for the sake of balancing the state budget, but Gov. Walker wants to strip labor of collective bargaining rights. How is that patriotic or constitutional? Labor doesn't want collective bargaining because they think they are going to get rich from it, they are just trying to make a living wage. The Gov. can always say "no" but why should they be denied the right to ask? And, where is the sacrifice from Corporations (the top corps evade taxes by using off-shore accounts, see link) or the top 1% who use all sorts of tax loop holes?!

      Scott Walker cut taxes (revenues) – after 2 weeks on the job – and we are coming out of a huge recession which has also hurt revenues for the states. So, yes, spending needs to be cut back (which labor agreed to), but why kill collective bargaining rights – no that will not save money because he'll have more "control," just look at Texas. No collective bargaining and they are broke – $20 billion in the hole – and they have a Republican Gov., so, the "pretend" fiscal responsibility argument fails again. What works is behaving like adults to figure out how to increase (or maintain) revenues/decrease spending/grow the economy to balance the budget. States can't just cut spending on the backs of the Working Poor/Middle Class – where is the shared sacrifice?

      Working people didn't create the budget short-fall in WI, the fact that the revenues can't cover the promises made to labor is not because labor didn't live us to their end of the bargain. It is a problem created by the reckless banking geniuses that have made out like robbers and put our economy into a tail spin (they have gotten our tax money and are paying themselves record bonuses – where is the outrage?). So, once again, hard-working Americans are being asked to roll up their sleeves and clean up the mess made by irresponsible people.
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

  4. Anonymous February 26, 2011 at 7:02 am #
    Opinionated MAMA

    1) SICK TO DEATH of all those lies about obama doing anything but ENCOURAGING ILLEGALS to continue to invade our country! You know who you are, and I don't know how you can even look yourself in the face after trying to defend him in any way. HE is the one giving them hope enough to keep coming, he is the one pandering to them to get their votes in 2012 because he knows the majority of REAL Americans already KNOW he is a fraud and the worst enemy our country has ever known. Without more crimials, there is no one to vote for him.
    Please stop posting lies, it embarrasses your kids, and you should truly be ashamed of backing someone that is destroying any chance at having the future you planned for them. Obama is destroying everything we have. I will never tolerate any anti American/pro obamadolf lies out of anyone in the real world, and it galls me the way some use the internet to hide behind to spread these lies.

    • momof3 February 28, 2011 at 8:15 pm #
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      You may not like him, but this is what the Washington Post reported last year:
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072501790.html

    • momof3 February 28, 2011 at 8:28 pm #
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      Shocker – it is business that wanted the undocumented workers to be allowed in our country (cheap labor) and it is business that continues to hire illegals without repercussions. So, that gives illegal immigrants hope – hope for money and a better life for their kids. Not Obama. Reagan opened the borders and Bush did NOTHING to stop the increasing problem. More needs to be done, a lot more. But, Obama didn't create the problem and he has done more to fix it than Bushy. Here are two articles:
      http://tucsoncitizen.com/mark-evans/archives/299
      http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0812/Obama-as-border-cop-He-s-deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

    • Anonymous March 8, 2011 at 6:26 am #
      Opinionated MAMA

      Quite frankly, I see your defense of obama much like saying that since one man got away with murder, we should look the other way when the next kills 10 more. You can't excuse the crimes of one by pointing the finger at another. IN CASE YOU'VE HAD YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND, obama dared to attack Arizona for TRYING TO ENFORCE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, AND PROTECT THE LEGAL CITIZENS. What about that do you not get???????? And the fact that so many don't see that there is little difference between him illegally entering the white house, same as the cockroaches illegally entering the country, is nothing short of disgusting. So many simply WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE FACTS. By now, anyone trying to defend this fraud, I see as nothing but putridly pathetic.

    • momof3 March 8, 2011 at 7:47 am #
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      Can we simply agree that a lot more needs to be done?! There were those of us who didn't think the AZ law was constitutional – it wasn't, they tweaked it, it's better. But, I get why they created it. They were scared and frustrated that no one was doing enough. I am a proponent of the national i.d. card, where employers, schools, hospitals, police, etc. can ask for a national i.d. It would have all your info on one card – social security, drivers license, insurance. So, if you register your kids at school, instead of bringing in an electric bill, you bring in your i.d. The difference between that and AZ law would be EVERYONE would be asked. What do you think?

    • Anonymous March 10, 2011 at 9:44 am #
      Opinionated MAMA

      Everyone is already asked, you just want to skip paste the part where the cockroaches LIE! Why even pretend otherwise? As far as the ID card goes, not like they won't use false ones, just like every other form of ID theft they have used to victimize THOSE OF US WHO BELONG HERE. These piddly measures are a joke, and would only be throwing more money in the toilet, same as we are every time we print ANYTHING in any other language than english. Stop accommodating scum, hold them accountable, and let them suffer the consequences of their actions, LIKE THE REAL AMERICANS, instead of constantly making excuses for cowardly rolling over for this illegal invasion.

  5. Anonymous March 29, 2011 at 2:07 pm #
    Opinionated MAMA

    wow, so much hatred. I think the topic of illegal immigration should be moved to the racism button.

    First and foremost America needs to stop directing their anger at the undocumented. It feels like this topic is an open invitation to hate Mexicans/Latinos. It's not right.

    The US cannot deport 11 million people so lets just get over that. Anchor babies are a myth. A baby cannot sponsor anyone to stay in the US until the age of 21. and having a US baby does not and has never stopped the US from deporting someone. America needs them here as much as they need to be here. If we really want to help this situation then the US needs to work with Mexico. Until we do this issue will not go away. No matter what crazy law Brewer tosses our way.

    So, let's stop hating on the poor, hard working Mexican and have a discussion that helps everyone.

    PS. I'm personally offended by the term "cockroaches" in reference to an undocumented PERSON!

    • Anonymous March 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm #
      Opinionated MAMA

      Yes – I AGREE! Thank you for saying it. I read the O-MAMA opinions and then cringe at some of the responses. The anger and hate in this room is scary. Creating make believe problems is not going to fix the real problems that need to be addressed in comprehensive immigration reform. Name calling and nastiness are never the way to solve anything!?! That's not what we should be teaching our kids.

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